Tuesday, February 20, 2007
But, I Support the Troops
Webloafer is taking a much needed rest from blogging, here is a best of....originally published August 11, 2005

I wish to address the subject of support for our troops.

There are a lot of people who will say “I support our troops” who don’t support them at all.

In my opinion it is shameless to say “the Commander in Chief is a dunce and a liar, and I don’t support anything he has done to fight terror and I don’t think we should be in Iraq.

You are welcome to have this opinion and express it publicly because someone fought for that right you have. BUT, don’t say in the next breath, “I support the troops.”

1. What part of this don’t you understand, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF ALL ARMED FORCES, SO HE IS INCLUDED IN THE TROOPS, YES HE IS PART OF THE TROOPS YOU SAY YOU SUPPORT. Our wise forefathers understood that the military of this great Republic needed to have a civilian leader, but HE IS THE LEADER.

2. Would you believe someone who said, “The pastor, priest or rabbi of that church is a dunce and a liar; I don’t support anything that church is doing, but; I support the congregation.

3. Would you say this about a library? There is nothing in that library that is true, but I support the books?

We could go on and on with examples that show the disconnect of some people’s logic in this matter. You will notice that the people most concerned that you know they support the troops, are the loudest condemners of the Commander in Chief, and the actions he has taken to protect this nation.

I’m sorry, I don’t have to agree with or propagate your deception, I don’t sell newspapers, or have a TV show. I don’t have to be politically correct.

Plain and simple: You don’t support any troops that are fighting in a war you don’t want fought. What part of this escapes your reasoning?

You are welcome to support who you want, but be honest about it.

TO THOSE OF YOU FUMING AT THESE WORDS OF MINE, I would ask you to conduct an experiment to validate or invalidate my supposition.

Go to your train station, bus station or subway station and wait until you find a group of at least 5 men and women wearing the uniform of this countries armed forces, walk up to them and politely discuss this matter with them.

If you want to know if you really support our troops, it would be good to bring the question up with the troops. Logical, Right?

Be right upfront and tell them that you think Tony Blair, and George Bush are idiots, liars, baby killers, and the war is illegal and criminal, and is being fought for oil.

Then tell them, “But I support all of you”.

You will get an answer, and it will be the same answer I give. You don’t support your troops. They may use more than words to answer you, but it would be justified, because most of them know one or two friends who has died for the right for you to be stupid, and vocal.

I support my countries commander in chief, and the troops he leads.


Blogger Andrew M said...

Nicly put.

Blogger the rocker mommy said...

Frankly, I think that's a load of shit. Your argument is flimsy, at best.

Now, personally, I support neither the hardly-educated idiot pretending to be our "leader" or the troops out there defending us from invisible enemies and killing off innocent people in the name of a load of shite, but I can certainly understand people who support them as human beings who signed on to defend the country that they believe in -- mostly for completely valid reasons like wanting to get an education that they would never be able to afford otherwise, or because they believe that the armed forces is their only option other than, "Would you like fries with that?" -- the people in the armed forces are still people and though you may not support what they are doing, it is still completely viable to support them as people whom you may not wish dead.

Blogger booklover9191 said...

I support the troops for living up to their commitment. That does NOT mean I support every soldier or commander.....especially when it comes to light that he/she has done a BAD THING...like putting others in harms way for selfish reasons.

Web, get a grip. Life is NOT all or nothing. There are good troops and bad troops.

Our commander in chief did a bad thing......well...many bad things. He needs to be held accountable.

Blogger Jay said...

I think the best way to support the troops is to make damn sure they are never called to die for a stupid reason for a stupid leader. A soldier doesn't have the choice of questioning the abilities of his commander. As a citizen of a country that places power in the hands of the people, civilians have a duty to question....and if necessary...remove an incompentant commander in chief.

Putting a magnetic sticker on your car just ain't enough.

Blogger AubreyJ said...

Trouble with that is that the vast and I mean VAST majority of our men and women in the Military believe in what they are doing and most currently support this President and this WAR… ON all fronts… Check out the reenlisting stats… If it was as you say Jay, you would not see these kinds of numbers. We are on the same team I know… Just see it differently do we!!!

Blogger Jay said...

I don't see those numbers. Of course...the only troops I work with these days are the ones that manage to get back home, alive....kinda

Most military people have no opinion on support or not about the war or the president. They do the job they have taken an oath to perform. It is up to us to make sure that the sacrifice we ask of them is worth it.

So...what is it you are asking others to die for?

Blogger AubreyJ said...

105% / 108% is not voting “with their feet” to the negative...
Most all the Military Blogs I have visited, (and I visit a lot of them,) would disagree with you. A couple yes… But most do not...

Blogger Jay said...

I know many that have voted with their feet.....some who actually left them in Iraq.

But then again...I'm not a military blog.

Blogger web_loafer said...

This is not a military blog Jay. This blog was an attempt to shake the support tree. Well do you or don't you support our troops? I am not talking out my behind, I have close friends who have sweated in the hellhole Iraq, for a cause they believe in, and would die for, I would love for you to hear what they think about communists, liberals, punks, islamafacists, and professors at Berkely and NYU. I am losing my patience with the overfed, overeducated, overdrugged, overentertained, overmetroized citizens who overlook the ones fighting our enemies. If you can't see that we are at war, and have dedicated enemies who want us dead. Get out of the way, but more importantly, Shut up.

Blogger ShellBug526 said...

I feel disgusted and angry when I read your post. I never ever comment on political issues but I feel the need to do so on yours. I think supporting and caring about the people who are dying for Bush's war is totally different than supporting Bush. I think the soldiers are doing what they do and I support THEM, not the war that they fight. I have friends and family in Iraq, who absolutely don't know WTF they are doing there, but they signed up to do what they were told and they do it. Bush is a complete nut he is killing off American soldiers for his own battle, not that of our so called free nation, and if you don't see that, you are blind.

Blogger web_loafer said...

There is nothing in my blog article that should make a decent American Mad.....it is your problem...Grow up as I throw up thinking about the scum of America.
You don't support freedom.....so that must mean you want to be a slave. Great....just stay out of my way. I love America....and am getting tired of the slugs of Democracy....yes those that contribute nothing and bitch a lot.
Get a life......and realize your life is in the balance......what if our fine men and women, in uniform decide to quit fighting for slugs like you......?

Blogger web_loafer said...

All you need to do shellbug, is run for the presidency, win, take the oath to defend and protect all Americans from enemies without and within.....and if you do win, I'll listen to your tripe. Until then, I'll listen to the leader of my country, and help him, while watching out for slugs. That is how it works.
You are a loser, George W. Bush is a winner, and so I listen to him....................not you or your ilk.

Blogger crowww said...

He is however the only ELECTED member of the troops. HE has people making sure the bathroom is safe before he uses it. HE has a pretty nice god damn tent to stay in. He does not have to wait a week to get to a tent with a computer and tell his family he's ok like my family member. Get real!

Blogger Jay said...

"Well do you or don't you support our troops?"

Depends on what you mean by support. If you mean I care about them not dying because of incompentant politicians, want them to come home alive so that they can begin their lives like you and I, want those that do come home alive to have the care and respect they have earned....then yeah...I do support our troops.

Do you? What sacrifices have you made for Bush's war? Would you give a leg for it? Your life? Your son's life?

Blogger booklover9191 said...

i think you are getting so angry because your armor is cracked and that's a good thing.

you yourself have been expressing some displeasure with how the president has handled things.

now acknowledging these things does not make you a traitor...just an independent thinker and a wise man.

you may even acknowledge them and still stand by the decisions made. that's kind of what you seem to be doing these days.

Blogger web_loafer said...

But crowww, you are in the minority in this country, more people voted for George W. Bush, millions more.
And Jay, I did write on the subject of sacrifice, I was critical of Washington for not asking more sacrifice from the populace. I still think war bonds, school collections, picking up discarded aluminium cans for troops, would be a good idea.
The postage alone for the many care packages I have sent overseas is several hundred dollars. I'll share a good story Jay. I had a friend in Iraq for a year and a half who wrote me about the overbearing heat. He ended the letter by saying "But there is nothing I can do about the heat"
I thought long and hard and came up with a surprize for my friend. You may have seen the sports wraps that will become an icepack and stay really cold for about an hour. I bought everyone that my local Wal-Mart had and sent them to him. He said it was the nicest gift he got. He wrapped one around a coke and was the only soldier with an ice cold beverage.
I really wish there was more I could do. I am always looking for ways.
Nice way to say it booklover.....crack in armor, and you're correct.
History has brought about many strange sayings about war, the fog of war is one that I want you to think about. No one knew what would happen on Omaha Beach, Iwo Jima, or other places. Someone makes the decisions to wage war. It would be nice to have a predictable enemy, we don't. I truely believe Our president did what he knew was best, and contend that we still don't know all of the facts...sometimes trust comes into the equation. War is Hell, I couldn't image our future if we had not stood up tall and said......we are going to get the ones who did this.

Blogger booklover9191 said...

"Standing up tall and saying: We are going to get the ones who did this." Thats the war on terror...and we haven't done so well on that war either.

We've just done a job on Iraq...which is a different war altogether.

Blogger the rocker mommy said...

Y'know, Web Loafer, my comment was neither scathing nor brutal -- simply a reaction to the statement of your opinion as fact. Your argument was too black and white for the actual issue and your parallels were flimsy at the very best. (IMO, really, your library one was just plain dumb.)

I don't think that your extra 25 years on the planet makes you anything other than an old man probably too stuck in his ways and blindly following a leader who deserves nothing but my wrath IMO. Don't come to my blog to spout your patronizing bullshit because my comment on your blog bruised your clearly too fragile ego; if you wanted to respond to my comment, you could have commented back to me there -- as you did for everyone else who disagreed with your post.

The hippie of your youth would be ashamed to hear you now.

I'm quite certain that it's the likes of you who keep me up at night wondering why this country sucks so hard, overspends to chase non-existent Chimera and allows people to die over it; all the while polluting our resources in the name of big business. This great country hasn't been so great in a long time and it has absolutely nothing to do with me. I am, at least, comfortable in the knowledge that I did not vote for this bastard at our helm, have been active against this war, and -- if I had a car -- there wouldn't be a jesus fish or a yellow ribbon on it.

But hey, I'm only an over-educated woman who has travelled extensively (both domestically and internationally) for both work and leisure. What would I know?

Blogger Jay said...

You know that I know that you and I share much of the same values. But I'm sorry my conservative friend....getting a care package just doesn't compensate much for getting a limb blown off when you are a teenager. I'm seeing lots of combat vets...kids really, their futures taken...the likes we have not had since Vietnam.

Do we have to wait until there is another wall before we look at this mess and say "enough"? Is supporting a politician...a politician, for pete's sake....worth the cost?

I guess if one doesn't really have to pay that cost, it might not matter to them.

Blogger booklover9191 said...

I have a magnet that promotes "Support the Troops" on my bumper.

I have, like MANY MANY retained my Kerry/Edwards bumperstickers....proudly. Actually not that proudly....I wish I would have gotten one that said: Anyone But Bush

I wish that more and more every day. I would now have been REALLY PROUD of that bumpersticker.

I don't say this primarily as a smeary thing. I MEAN it!


Blogger Scooter said...

1st, your hating the priest corralation is a poor one after the child abuse scandel recently. Although Bush has definately been raping our kids education of late.

2nd, falling in line with Bush simply because he beat Kerry is not the best idea, that's how Hilter gain power, simply by people believing everything he said and falling in line. Seriouly, all Bush did was beat Kerry, David Duke could've beaten Kerry. Hillary could've beaten Kerry.

3th, you support winners, so does that mean you supported Clinton too?

4th, you said "But crowww, you are in the minority in this country, more people voted for George W. Bush." actually if you look at the numbers, more people in America didn't vote for Bush than actually voted for him.

5th, if we are looking at the numbers, 38% (I'm not the biggest fan of poll, but this is well within the margin of error, which I like to look at) of American think Bush is handling the war wrong. Now you're in the minority. How does it feel?

6th, whoever said they come across more pro-war military blogs, the reason for that is because the gov't shuts down all the negative one. I know alot of people in the military who think Iraq is a mistake.

7th, I've always wondered why you are so worried about terroritst attacks? You live in the middle of nowhere. I live near a major city and they never cross my mind until I turn on the TV or stop by your site.

But anyways, take care.

Blogger Tom Harper said...

Web_Loafer (with the emphasis on "Loafer"):

Before you do any more pontificating on "supporting our troops" and people who "hate America," please tell us whether you served in the military during the Viet Nam era. You've mentioned your age previously, and during your late teens and early 20s there was a draft and a war on (Viet Nam).

Come on, 'fess up. If you were in the military during that time, please tell us all about it. And if you weren't, have the decency to admit it and tell us all why and how you got out of serving (again, there was a draft during that period).

I'm not expecting anything other than your usual boilerplate answer of "you communist America-hating atheists are all the same, why don't you just leave?" But the question needs to be asked. Maybe someone else could answer for you, if you're not able or willing to.

Blogger booklover9191 said...

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Blogger web_loafer said...

thhofpa22,Not because you demanded it, I will devulge any personal information only when I want to, not at the beckoning of someone I don't know. But your comment did remind me of a story I want to write. It takes place in 1963 and 1964. It will be in a blog entry real soon. I figure I better write it before I go senile. As to you emphasising the loafer.....in my internet name......I have worked a minimum of 55 hours each week for about 20 years. Truck driving is a high stress job, so I deserve a few hours of loafing now and then.

Blogger web_loafer said...

Rocker Mommy, I always visit the blogs of people who comment here, and sometimes comment on something I read. I am somewhat new at this blog thing, and didn't realize it is not the way to do things.

I am happy for you in this.
In just a little over 3 years George W. will be leaving the White House. Why do I get the idea you have no neocon friends or Christian friends? If it is so, That is too bad, you are cheating yourself of a richer life. I try to find friends of all walks of life. I do wish you the best, and you certainly live in the city I consider America's lovliest. I miss it in some ways, but I like the midwest.
Yes there are lots of Bush bumper stickers here in Kansas along with the fish that seem to bother you. I do want to ask a question, that you should know. Is the Filmore West still operating? I envy you in some ways, living in such a city as you are in. The Filmore West was a focal point of sorts back when I lived there. I have wondered if the Fillmore West is still rocking, so I guess I should ask the rocker mommy.

Blogger dog1net said...

When you read some of the comments in response to your post, it amazes me how many people just don't get it. President Bush did not start this war, yet you have a few commentors here that you would be hard pressed to convince otherwise. Thanks for visiting my site and commenting.

Blogger booklover9191 said...

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Blogger booklover9191 said...

heh heh...cough...oh well...

Blogger marie b. said...

it's impossible to take you seriously when you use phrases such as "the scum of America" to describe those who have a differing opinion than you.

it makes it even difficult to do so when you tell commenters to "shut up." if you have comments open, perhaps you should learn to behave in a mature manner when debate sparks up as it inevitably will when you're generalizing left right and center.

just a thought.

Blogger web_loafer said...

Marie b. Thanks for your comment. Could you see how someone who endures day in and day out the trash that is thrown at our president could get a little mad at times. In my mind he is a leader like no other in recent time. And amazingly, he never snaps back at the stupidest of questions by Helen Thomas or her peers. The press corp exudes hatred for this decent man. So I am a little sensetive, and can't control my temper like he does. You want some links to some of the most hateful blogs you could stomach. The left in this country has gone banana's and I don't have to put up with it. There comes a point when I must stand up and say.......enough...no more.
I have a lot of patience with commenters, after all, I read a lot of peoples blogs, and even agree with some. I did not tell a specific commenter to shut up, I did give a group shut up.....to those who think America and George Bush is the problem and the cause of all the worlds problems.......I still say shut up. Sorry I don't want to hear their lies. I can't remember in what context I used the phrase scum of America. But there is scum in America, I see them occasionally, and have no other description of them. But all in all, most bloggers are wonderful people, even the ones who disagree with me. Anyone who takes the time to blog, has my respect, and I will listen to them. Again Thanks, I will slowly wean myself from the political blogging,it really doesn't sway anyone, everyone pretty much has their mind made up on politics. I have tried to get into other things. I am in need of a good 12 step program to help me quit politics.>LOL<

Blogger web_loafer said...

Marie B, if you are still around. I remember now when I used the word, scumbag. I have written millions of words, put them together in poetry, songs, prose, and bloggish. And you chose about 5 words of mine to condemn me. Well, that ain't fair, I very seldom use words like scumbag, but I am right in the way I used the word and when I used it. The blog entry you visited is provocative, yes, but I have the right to be passionate, compassionate, and RIGHT.
You can disagree, and just because you disagree, I fain not think you scum, oh contrair, you simply disagree. I am talking about the few who hate my countrys president so much that they have become walking looney tunes.......ahhhh, there it is;
A more politically correct way of saying scumbag......Looney Tunes.

Blogger C.S. Donne said...

Let Us Try!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!!

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