Friday, July 01, 2005
What is sacrifice?


Let me see……You are bitter because?

Your Candidate Kerry lost?
It cost a lot of money to free Afghanistan from tyranny?
Tax Money is being spent to free Iraq?
Your candidate Gore lost? (man you hold a grudge a long time)
You refuse to smile with the 50 million human beings that have been liberated in Iraq & Afghanistan.
You refuse to respect the President of the United States.

Look carefully at this picture. You will notice that the man jogging with our President is smiling.
You still can’t smile because you lost a political fight to the majority of voters, years and years ago.

God forbid you would have to sacrifice anything like a leg for your country.


Both of these men are heroes in most people’s eyes.

Read more from http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/jogging.asp

62 comments:

Blogger porchwise said...

There is sacrifice..and then there is unnecessary sacrifice...so far the proof is not in the pudding.

Blogger Helena said...

I really disagree with your political views, but I would like to say that you are a powerful writer. Very nice.

Blogger AubreyJ said...

I think the man running next to the President doesn’t need anymore proof. It’s people like him that have my ear when they talk. They have been there; done that… so to these people I’ll listen. Their the true Americans, not these crybabies who haven’t gone any further than their computer monitor in front of them.....

Blogger web_loafer said...

I like that aubreyj.....we could refer to them as cybercrybabies.

I know I am not 100% right about everything, but God be my witness, I would listen to a man that gave something to the battle. I haven't had to sacrifice much to preserve my freedom.....just flowing along with the stream........but someone had to sacrifice to get me my comfort in freedom....

Blogger Kn@ppster said...

Hmmm ... I didn't vote for Kerry, nor did I vote for Gore. And I served in the Marine Corps for 10 years, including in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in the 1991 war.

Still, I look at the picture, and I see a hero with one leg on the right and a coke-snorting, chickenhawk deserter, drunk-driving playboy, corporate welfare queen and poltroon who is not fit to lick that hero's single remaining boot on the left.

Have a nice day.

Tom Knapp

Blogger web_loafer said...

Thomas Thomas Thomas...you don't know the man that well, you are going by what the media says. If you served this country, you have my respect, and gratitude. But you are a little too hard on someone you don't know. It would be sufficent to say....I don't like Mr. Bush. When you start adding to that with suppusitions and hearsay, well, you are closing your eyes. Anyway have a good day.

Blogger Tom Harper said...

There's only one hero in that picture. (Hint: it's not the 2-legged trust-funded chickenhawk.)

Blogger OTTMANN said...

Great Post!

Blogger web_loafer said...

thhofpa22,
Now you are welcome to hold those hateful views....but I wonder would you have the courage to walk up to the one with one leg and say the same thing about his commander in chier.
You would end up as a grease spot on the pavement.

Blogger web_loafer said...

My spelling is bad this evening....make that commander-in-chief....

Blogger puremood said...

Nice post!

Blogger greeneyed_lady said...

It would be OK if there were proof enough for the name calling of the president. Instead, it as always, is a bunch of labeled heresay. Most are bitter abput Clintons rough treatment and are not relenting on the revenge. So what might would have been a misunerstanding or mistake, is now a Lie. Corperate fraud, going on for yrars, now exposed, is the presidents fault. The war not ending right after Saddams statue fell, The presidents fault. Every remote case of Military mistreatment of prisoner, first gets blown up into hunreds of allegations and then blamed on the president.
We all know that I could go on. The goal is impeachment preceedings. Revenge, an eye for an eye! That stategy hasn't worked, it's gone the opposite way. Republicans gain more and more, but vengence is a strong feeling. It trumps logic and focus on the real goal. Look at poor Howard Dean.

Blogger Jason said...

If certain other people were in charge, that soldier would not have had to make that unnecessary and terrible sacrifice.

I'm in complete agreeance with Tom Knapp's comments above. Web loafer claims that Tom's accusations are hearsay? Try doing some research and you'll find that it is not merely media sensationalism or hyperbole, but actual facts.

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Blogger Tom Harper said...

I wouldn't have any desire to insult the hero in that picture, or whatever point you were trying to make. And I can't imagine what sort of empathy the hero could possibly have for his poor excuse for a Commander-in-Chief.

Does it bother you at all that there's such a huge disparity between those who declare war and profit from it, and those who fight and get maimed or killed? The Army and Marines are way below their recruiting goals. There are millions of gung ho keyboard warriors and yellow ribbon displayers who are contributing nothing to this war other than condemning those who disagree with it. If just a few of these keyboard warriors would step away from their computers and put on a uniform and back up their "patriotism" with some action, the Army and Marines would be greatly helped.

Here are some last names you won't find among the soldiers fighting and dying in Iraq: Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Limbaugh, Hannity, DeLay...(the list goes on and on).

Doesn't this bother you at all?

Blogger web_loafer said...

greeneyedlady.....shame on anyone who would put party ahead of country.....especially in the time of war.....If some of these people would have had to go through WWII,
No one called FDR a liar....he too told lies, or other names. Americans who love freedom wake up....and stay wide awake, we have enemies abroad and here at home too. The ones at home are just as dangerous as the suicide bombers of Iraq....

Blogger web_loafer said...

Jason I deleted your double post. While I disagree with your post, I left it where you wanted it to be...read.

Blogger web_loafer said...

thhofpa22,
This keyboard warrior is 60 years old, but would gladly go help drive convoys in Iraq, if they would let me. I have sent several large care packages to a dear friend there in Iraq, with things to share. I give moral support which is sometimes the most important thing one can do. Letters, emails, blog entries.

You seem to be one who is giving
moral unsupport. I would like to see you stand up to the soldier who lost his leg fighting for you and call our president names like you do.

Blogger Jaime said...

this a great publicity photo-op picture . . . that's it. the only thing running through Bush's mind at that moment in time is "gee, i wish my handlers had gotten me a guy with two prosthetic legs".

Blogger web_loafer said...

Jamie....it is nice to have a mind reader onboard at Sanity's Bluff

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Blogger Kn@ppster said...

"green-eyed lady" wrote:

"It would be OK if there were proof enough for the name calling of the president. Instead, it as always, is a bunch of labeled heresay. Most are bitter abput Clintons rough treatment and are not relenting on the revenge."

I stand by my evaluation of President Bush. I believe that there is sufficient evidence to make a plausible argument for each and every accusatory term I used. I did not use those terms without having spent a good deal of time confirming to my satisfaction that they were accurate.

The only thing that I was "bitter" about with respect to Clinton was that the Senate failed to convict him when he was clearly, and by his own admission, guilty of the charges for which the House impeached him.

Tom Knapp

Blogger frstlymil said...

Photoshop is a beautiful thing - as are all staged photo-ops, like the fake turkey on a tray pic from Iraq at that infamous Thanksgiving dinner. Exploiting an amputee to boost one's popularity in perpetuating obfuscation - is truly distasteful- and I'd say that about ANYONE in office that did that, regardless of party. George's PR machine needs to do their research a bit better on how to market their product.

Blogger AubreyJ said...

A good read at Pardon my English yesterday...
Click: HERE for a read on the REAL PRESIDENT BUSH. No rhetoric here my friends...
AubreyJ............

Blogger momsgoneloony said...

If certain other people were in charge, that soldier would not have had to make that unnecessary and terrible sacrifice.

Jason, Jason, Jason...how right you are...if someone else, some Democrat perhaps, Kerry? GOre? You right, we'd all be sitting here, looking at the skies waiting for the next damn planeload of our citizens and some deranged, gonna get a bunch of virgins in Paradise for killing American citizens, Turban wearing, jihad warriors. Get a clue...it's a get them before they get you game..and they got us first last time..Thanks Bill...

Blogger web_loafer said...

I must admit I am learning from interacting with youall! Thomas the more I read your writings the more appreciation I have for you. You are no one's fool. But I truly think you have bought some false information about our President. Why not back off and give the man a decent chance. I have yet to hear one...I repeat ONE PLAN PUT FORTH BY A DEMOCRAT TO DEAL WITH TERRORISM....IT MUST BE DEALT WITH...YOU KNOW THAT, I know that. Mr. Bush just happened to be in office when we were attacked for the final time without responding.....ie..first WTC bombing.......the US COLE, the embassies in two African Countries, yadda yadda and so on. I was heart broken when a navy ship was attacked and NOTHING WAS DONE TO RETALIATE FOR THE LOSE OF OUR FINE SAILORS. Lob a few Cruise Missles at the desert or a factory in Africa....yeah that really helped didn't it????

Blogger jane said...

Yes, its a photo-op. Yes, the gentleman on the right is a hero. Yes, I agree with Thomas on all the titles he gave to the guy on the left.
You've written an excellent entry that has caused us all to think.

ps.....thomas, thanks for serving our country. :)

Blogger web_loafer said...

Any time someone has a camera around a president it is an photo op. An opportunity for the citizens to learn moare about the man who leads the most powerful nation. Instead of your snide remarks and jealous remarks....why not pray for the man that he can lead us to victory over the terrorists...or do you even want us to win....lose until a Democrat can get in office??? What a plan, by then we won't stand a chance, but they won't spare you just because you hate Bush,,,,,,,you'll be on the chopping block too if we lose.

Blogger BLOGBANK said...

Both of these men are hero’s and they prove that the proof is in the “putting”. They “put” the war where it should be and not on this soil. Keep running!!

Blogger Kn@ppster said...

web_loafer:

You write:

"But I truly think you have bought some false information about our President. Why not back off and give the man a decent chance."

While I did not vote for him (or for Gore) in 2000, I was looking for good things from Bush. He'd promised tax cuts, hinted that he'd put the feds on a leash where medical marijuana was concerned, and pursue a "more humble foreign policy." Instead, his first major policy speech, he bragged that he was going to grow government faster than Clinton had ever dreamed of doing ... and he has.

Still, I was willing to give him rope. Then the tax cuts turned out to be 1%, phased in over ten years ... and not real anyway, because of massive deficit spending which will eventually have to be paid off. He turned the DoJ loose to crack down on medical marijuana. He expanded the Department of Education that the GOP had been promising to eliminate for 20 years faster than Clinton had.

And yet, I was okay ... until he blew national security after 9/11. I approved of the invasion of Afghanistan if it was to destroy al Qaeda. Instead, it was used to play "nation-building" while al Qaeda packed its stuff in a leisurely manner and went elsewhere. Then it was on to Iraq. I fully support a "Global War on Terror ..." any time he wants to quit messing around and start one.

I agree, the Democrats haven't reacted properly to the terror war, either. I didn't become a Democrat until earlier this year, and one of my priorities is to get my new party to actually produce a realistic plan, like my old party (the Libertarian Party) has, for getting out of Iraq (and for dealing with terrorism).

As far as my knowledge of President Bush is concerned, I am certainly not the most knowledgeable person in the country about him. However, I suspect I'm the only person on this comment page who has done professional opposition research on him for another candidate (Badnarik) ... and probably also the only person appointed by him to federal office (draft board) ;-)

I see it the way I see it, man. I do like your blog, though, and I certainly admire the hero who is running sans a leg. Finally I respect that man's respect for his president. I just don't share it.

Regards,
Tom Knapp

Blogger web_loafer said...

Thomas, I share some of the same views with you in almost every area you mentioned. Bush is a tax and spend liberal..disguised as a compassionate conservative. There is a limit to the cost of compassion. If you go broke being compassionate, no one is served. I am libertarian in a lot of my views. I know that whoever is in that oval office cannot please everyone. We have come to a point in America that no president can ever be popular with more than 46% of the citizens. D's hate R's, R's hate D's. Sad, I wish there was an answer that would make everyone happy. What a mess this world is in. I better quit thinking about things I can't change....just go with the flow. One great president (a war president) who never had more than 35% of the total population solidly behind him, still stands tall today...A Lincoln was called more names than G.W. and just kept doing his job....while fighting an unpopular, costly, bloody war. History will be kinder to G.W. than we are. Every President should be scrutinized closely, but give him a break, or even pray for him or her.

Blogger Brad said...

I disagree with your views, and I think you are a terrible writer. I also question your ability to think for yourself and not recycle the same inane crap that the government has brainwashed you with.

Pathetic.

Blogger web_loafer said...

Brad, It is amazing you could get so dumb in such a short time, 25 years old and you know everything. Fine. In your venom spitting blog you ask this question.

"I challenge anyone to find a liberal out there who has uttered a single bad word about the job the soldiers are doing."

Let me see there professor, would likening what our soldiers are doing in Gitmo, to what happened in Hitlers death camps, or Pol Pot's death camps, or the gulags of those socialist buddies of yours, the communists in the Soviet Union, Ring any bells sonny. When you grow up, I hope there is still A United States of America. I hate to think of passing the torch of freedom over to a Michael Moore wantabe like you. I'll be long gone then and you will have to live in the nest you've soiled. Good luck loser.

Blogger C said...

"Both of these men are heroes in most people’s eyes."

I find that Conservatives tend to see the world only from one point of view - thier own. Of course I'm generalizing here, but I assume it's okay since that's what you've done in this post.

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Both of these men are heroes in most people’s eyes."

I find that Conservatives tend to see the world only from one point of view - thier own. Of course I'm generalizing here, but I assume it's okay since tha

Blogger web_loafer said...

I see the world from my point of view.......how strange? And you of course look at the world how? I can see other people's point of view, but the truth is I know I am right. And I don't let your error get in the way of my truth. There are probably many things you are right about and I am wrong. Yes, there are absolutes in this life. There is good and there is evil. Right and wrong do exist.
It is wrong to fly a plane load of civilians into a building, with the intent to kill as many as you can. It is right to defend your country when it is attacked. We didn't start this war, but we will finish it. I prefer having the battles take place in Iraq. But if we cut and run....like Howard and the Cowards that follow him would want, America is lost. You may not see the whole picture but this is a struggle for America's existence. This grand experiment in liberty known as America, has changed the world for the better, but there are more battles to be fought. I will be flying an American Flag on the fourth of July, how about you? One more thougth before I shut up.....I don't know you at all, you do seem polite enough in disagrement, no, I don't know you and yet I can tell a lot about you if you will answer one question for me.
For the sake of arguement, lets say America is evil and deserves to lose the war on Terror. What kind of nation and government would you want to replace the defeated America with? Don't give me utopian dreams, tell me of a country that you would rather have America be like?
Cuba? Chad? Finland? Georgia? Iraq? Iran?

Blogger Photo-Farmer said...

Your post is unfair. It presents only one side of the story and attacks unknown others for thinking things that are only your own statements. There are many people in the US who would like to see the taxpayers money spent on improving the US internally. There are many people in the US who would like to see the national debt reduced. I have seldom heard a politician seek "sacrifice" from the voters for things that would improve the US overall. The trouble with all this party allegiance stuff is that no one is focused on making sure we are doing the best for the entire country--not just special interests. We like Rome can easily be led down the road to financial ruin by trying to police the entire world while our society becomes increasingly impoverished internally.

Blogger web_loafer said...

OK photo-farmer. Let's not fight terrorism? I know that is not what you want. The thing that irks me, Most Democrat and Republican citizens want to fight the terrorists. BUT...To this day almost 4 years after we were attacked, I have not heard one thing being suggested by the Democrats on how to win the war against terror. Have I missed something? It is a constant Bush is wrong, Bush lied, did this and that. Bush is stupid, Bush can't talk right.
What is your plan to defeat terrorism? Come up with a plan, instead of the constant bickering. The Democratic leadership looks petty and small to point out something, wrong with no clue or plan about how to do it right. Bush was president when we were attacked, and he did something. History will judge if it was right or wrong.

Blogger Photo-Farmer said...

Yes, time will tell. I am just pleading for a different perspective on political infighting. The country is about evenly split between Democrats and Republicans. This causes a constant "see-sawing" between the two parties jockying for a strong position in future elections. Very little is gained arguing about a president's sex life or a president's verbal abilities. It is a waste of our in-common brain power. I supported our entry into Iraq because I saw the war as one complete event--not an earlier and later war. Iraq kept thumbing its nose at its UN obligations for ca. 12 years. I did not see the Iraq war as the answer to terrorism. But now it seems that it has become the focus for show down over who is stronger--the fanatics or the US along with some of the other world's democratic governments. I don't think we have much choice but to continue in Iraq now because the lines have been drawn there.

For the future, I think the American people will have to demand that we not fight (essentially alone) overseas so as not to use up our treasury defending reluctant others. It would probably be cheaper, in the end, to spend more of our money at home bolstering our society and defending against the fanatics. Obviously, we can never be 100% safe from even a few very determined crazies.

If other countries are equally concerned about their safety they will eventually learn to cooperate with us rather than just sitting back and letting us do it for them.

Blogger Vulture 6 said...

amen

Blogger web_loafer said...

Very well said, photo-farmer, very well said. I'll have to spend some more time reading your blogs. I too long for the day Iraq can defend itself. It is a shame that instead of Iraq's neighbors helping the young and fragile democracy, they seem to be wanting the citizen government to fail. No we have no other choice. And we have so much to do at home too. Yes, the world is not shy when it comes to asking for our help. One good example Kosovo in the late 1990's. It was a nasty conflict that should have been handled by Europe, but they lacked the skill or the will, so they ask for America's help. Bill Clinton sent the USAF there and had them bomb the country without mercy. You will never see the pictures of the destruction of that invisible war. At one time almost all of the bridges over the Danube were completey destroyed or damaged by American bombs from American planes.
The destruction was great, no pictures make the newspapers or TV news. Strange world we live in. We still have troops there. Have you heard anyone clamoring for us to bring them home?
But we must be more careful in the future. I wish we would continue to develop alternate fuels so that we can say goodbye to the middle east. Why aren't we using our ability to grow corn like no one else can for our good? Oh the Middle East....Even without our presence there,it will always be a battlefield, but lets vacate the area and leave the good people there back in the 8th Century, where they like to live. Deny them any American weapons, jets or guns. Cancel all orders of jet fighters to Saudia Arabia, keep them at home in our Air Force. I know the Chinese and French, German and Russian merchants will still supply the weapons that the citizens love to tote around, but lets wash our hands of the area. Maybe isolationalism isn't such a bad idea in the world we live in. PROTECT OUR BORDERS FROM UNINVITED GUESTS, AND WORK ON OUR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE. When they ask us to help, tell any and everyone NO. Pull all of our troops out of Korea, Germany, Japan and the other places we have made our stand for others. Develop bombers even better than we have, and replenish our defensive nuclear warheads, build the neutron bombs we designed and let the little tin dictators of N. Korea, Iran, and anywhere else know that we are ready.

Blogger Eric said...

I agree with Enchanted both about disagreeing with your political views and that you are a powerful writer.

A more cynical guy would assume that the President was using this heroic soldier to advance his agenda and improve his approval rating. As strongly as I disagree with a lot of the President's policies (especially with regard to the environment and the economy) I do believe he is committed to supporting the troops he sends into harms way and was truly honoring and thanking this soldier for his sacrifice.

And I do wish the President well.

I also wish the country well, which is why I'll continue to oppose bad policy and support good policy, no matter who the President is.

Blogger Eric said...

Oh and congratulations on your great blog. Any piece of writing that gets people thinking is a good thing.

Keep on bloggin'

Blogger Bowman said...

Bush a hero? LMAO. More likely one of the luckiest SOBs out there in the world.

Blogger web_loafer said...

Thanks Eric, I am going to research some more on the picture I posted. The story is a great story. President Bush is a avid jogger, so that is not staged, and the soldier has an interesting story. I don't want to get it wrong, but I do know the young man missing the leg....went through rehabilitaion and was able to return to Iraq. I'll research it some and write about it. Our country needs us all together. I know that sounds like a pipe dream, but if we really knew what was a stake in this war, I believe we could work together. This has become more of a forum than comment area. No problem. Thanks everyone for your input.
Oh and Vulture6, I am going to link to your excellant blogsite, something I don't do very often.

Blogger web_loafer said...

This is the url of the picture and an interesting story. If you called this a staged photo, you should be ashamed after you read the truth behind this picture.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/jogging.asp

I can't get the link to work...here is some of the article from the snopes.com political section

Attached is a picture of Mike McNaughton. He stepped on a landmine in Afghanistan Christmas 2002. President Bush came to visit the wounded in the hospital. He told Mike that when he could run a mile, that they would go on a run together. True to his word, he called Mike every month or so to see how he was doing. Well, last week they went on the run, 1 mile with the president. Not something you'll see in the news, but seeing the president taking the time to say thank you to the wounded and to give hope to one of my best friends was one of the greatest/best things I have seen in my life. It almost sounds like a corny email chain letter, but God bless him.

Blogger Photo-Farmer said...

Agreed! (well, that's 2 of us---a start haha)

Blogger American Soldier said...

At least I now have a President that sticks to his guns on something. I just returned from Iraq and for all of those that have never seen what is going on with your own eyes.....Its time to wake up and ask the soldiers themselves how they feel about what they are doing and stop listening to the one sided views of the mainstream media. I have been in operations that were reported on by the big names and trust me when I say that they couldn't get a fact right if it was sitting on their lap. G.W. I salute you!

Blogger Medium Large Phill said...

I am proud to say that if i had been 18 at the time of the elections I most defineltely would have voted Bush and I support this great man through all things he does, even if he ends up being wrong.

Blogger Bubbles, Ink. said...

Stop writing "Have a nice day" after you little amateurish quips. If you're going to lay into people, fucking lay into them. Don't add the patronizing "have a nice day" tag to the end of your rants.

Blogger web_loafer said...

I believe I used the tag, Have a good day, once in the many comments of mine here. And you are entirely correct, If I make a quip..it is amateurish, because I am an amateur. I don't pretend to have all of the answers so I don't lay into people just because they disagree me. If you want to adopt me and pay all my living expenses, I may consider writing the way you want. Until that time, there is a little red box at the top right of your screen there pal, with a x in it. Use that mouse your hand and left click there. Bye

Blogger Eliza said...

Oh my goodness, you mean, someone has a disabled and can still SMILE? Ah, yes, how brave and inspirational.

I can't even care about about the partisan politics that are being discussed here, because I'm too amazed over the politics of your patronizing view of disability. Seriously, I'm not sure I get the point here. Or, more likely, I do, and I don't want to believe I do. Are we supposed to look closely so we can be amazed that he can still smile in the face of such tragedy? Oh, the great horror of cripdom.

Really, we don't need your pity or your pride when you view disability as inherently tragic.

Blogger Daldianus said...

Bush's a moron and escaped war himself when he was called. So much for bravery.

And why is no one from his family fighting on the frontline?

Blogger web_loafer said...

Please Eliza do not read my words to your advantage. I am a champion of the disabled. My twin brother who is also 60 years old is disabled, and retarded. If you read something into my writing that isn't there, who suffers. You don't, you just spouted off without knowing. I expect an apology from you....I care more for the disabled than most of your friends....you will have to attack me from some other direction.

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